I would imagine it was rightly seen as a mental issue. Just like today if my brother told me he feels he is a woman id look up a counselor to help him. A real one who accepts reality
In ancient times they would have executed them as sexual deviants. Treating it as a mental issue is pretty new in the scheme of things, and worshipping perverts is even newer. We didn't do things a certain way for thousands of years for no reason.
Some cultures probably just castrated them and sent them back to work or forced them into sex slavery. No need to kill a male whose body is still usable even if their mind is useless.
You're not knowledgeable of ancient societies at all with a comment like that.
The first thing you are doing is assuming that what you think is deviant, was always deviant. Your concept of deviant is basically coming from the Post-Enlightenment Anglosphere. Even though that might be a good thing, it doesn't change that completely different civilizations just have totally incompatible views on deviance.
Meanwhile, Ancient Greece's pederasty was so prevalent, it is likely the very origin for Afghanistan's "Bacha Bazi". The Ottomans were well known for their harems, and also their Jannisaries who were groomed as children. Mohammed married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 12. Sulla was married, but probably had a gay lover, and Alexander was almost certainly gay himself. Sparta was so god damned gay they endangered their own population growth rate, and created the most infamously resentful women in history. Islam is still littered with homosexual activity that is excused for any plethora of silly rationalizations including (and I've literally heard both of these): "Women are for children; men are for pleasure", and the infamous "Man Love Thursday" where it's okay because the holy day is tomorrow so I guess it doesn't count or something? The term for hermaphrodite originates from Greece (again, seeing a bit of a pattern here), and these types of, well, mutants, were seen as having been touched by deities. They were more oddities than "evil".
Even in Medieval Europe, gays wouldn't have just been executed, they were actually just ostracized to live in the equivalent of a Lepper Colony, because they very likely had an STD already.
There were a few civilizations that kinda did that "gender is just a state of mind bro" shit, but these are the same civilizations that thought slave labor was ok and that gods and whatnot controlled the earth.
To you it's deviant, and to me it's deviant, but I hate to play the cultural relativism card, but back then a lot of fucked up shit we now consider illegal or deviant was 'accepted'.
So yes, this shit existed back then, but that didn't make it ok. Using that fucker's logic, child marriage was also accepted back then, should we allow that too?
Why can't more people do the "You know, back then it did exist, but that doesn't excuse it being allowed now" state of mind. What's it with leftists always trying to asspull-reach their way back a hundred or a thousand years to excuse shit ideology and shit behaviors?
They're just projecting their perversions onto ancient people. The idea that others aren't motivated by degenerate fetishes like they are is beyond their imagination.
Transgenderism didn't exist. However, autogynaphillia, gender dysphoria patients, and hermaphrodites did exist. None of it was morphed into an Leftist ideology.
He's probably referring to the myth of two-spirit people among native Americans. And he is right that it was applied to ancient civilizations, but only starting in 1990 when LGBT natives wanted to have a way of distinguishing their LGBT-ness from everyone else's. Because they had to be the specialist of snowflakes (yes, that's not a term that was around in the 90's, but if they can apply a new term to their past then I'll do the same to them.)
The modern concept of trans is less than a hundred years old and has virtually no connection to any ancient culture's concept of guys who wear dresses or gay guys. No amount of saying ist or phobe or threatening suicide can change this fact.
Yeah good luck restricting people under 18 from accessing porn.
Since there's been documentation of transpeople predating the internet, even if we magically prevented people from using the internet until they turned 18 at most we'd probably get rid of the people who want to be cats and anime characters.
No, I've been listening to some true-crime podcasts. There's always been this strange glut of true crime cases where men want to 'become' women in their 40s or 50s. It's like something in their brain breaks and they start cross dressing and stealing clothes and shit.
Probably, but I'm just looking at it realistically: to block everyone from accessing porn/social media online would require way too much of a nanny state. Parents needs to raise their own children better than to become retarded catfags.
You don't need to ban porn, just put a 100% tax on any revenue it generates. If we can have special taxes for cigarettes and alcohol why not for something that arguably hurts society much worse?
The problem is that many midwits, including on the right, actually accept this. I've actually had people on the right tell me that using 'they' as a singular pronoun is OK, because... troon talking point... it has been done since Shakespeare.
First of all, none of these degenerates has ever read Shakespeare. As the Merchant of Venice himself, I can guarantee you that. Secondly, I've never seen them produce any instance of Shakespeare doing that for any individual, only for a person whose gender is unknown.
To try to hijack the Bard, or ancient history, for your own sickness, is low even by their standards.
Which is where people on the right will tell you that using "they" as a singular pronoun is okay. It might be "their umbrella" but only until you have more information, at which point it becomes "his umbrella" or "her umbrella".
Yeah, this is the only time I use "they" as a singular, when I don't know what the sex of the person is. That's it. Any other time is retarded and needs to be thrown in the trash.
Ahh, so it's checks notes mega rich people who are making people trans.
And definitely not the extreme underbelly of absolute vile human beings on social media, and in discord servers, 'cracking an egg' and pushing people into thinking they're trans when they're just young, naive, living in a shitty time to grow up, and are not handling it well.
To steal something from Sowell's playbook: "do you have any hard evidences for trans people existing in history?" Because, there isn't. It's all a lie.
porn did not create the tranny problem, thats just tradcons scapegoating. the tranny thing is grooming and feminism working together to make men and women hate themselves so much that they decide to try to emulate the other.
The 'acceptance' of porn mostly came from feminism and the sexual revolution movement. He's right - it's a lazy fucking way to address the root cause of the problem. Sexual degeneracy and porn was allowed because feminism and other cultural "revolution" movements normalized degeneracy by pushing ideology that it's perfectly ok to openly talk about how you took 10 dildos in your ass as acceptable.
It's the same ideology that tries to normalize being a whore and calling it "sex work".
It's the same ideology telling women that they are worth more than being a tradwife - so they go out and do pornography instead since they have no worth because they're on the low end of IQ spectrum.
It's the same ideology that encourages women to be "sex positive" and demonizes men for having a male sex drive.
It's the same ideology that encourages women to fuck as many men as possible because having a high body count and having someone point it out to them just means the other person is the problem and not you as the woman.
I could go on and on, but you are going after the symptom by wanting porn removed. All this shit happened because we allowed idpol ideology to fester.
Aaaand it probably was being funded by some weirdos with pointy hats as well.... hint hint.
The part that's kinda worrying for me is I don't see ANY other way to fix this other than turning into an authoritarian state. Banning teaching Gender Studies, Critical Race Theory, Marxism, etc. - making it illegal to teach them in schools, public and private, to have them in books that are to be used at school, and to strongly discourage its use in media. It goes against my principles as being a free speech supporter, but I also understand when you have to take the gloves off and simply say fuck it, we need to save society, principles be damned.
There is verifiable documentable proof all this far left idpol shit is HARMFUL to society, and we'd just be better off banishing that shit to the ends of the earth.
When you look at these as disorders, you pretty much always come upon some fuckup by the parents. In the case of autogynephilic men, that's usually the mother.
I definitely think there are girls that have been traumatized into not wanting to be a woman any more. As if turning into a man is a way to avoid being raped again.
Literal documentation unavailable
I would imagine it was rightly seen as a mental issue. Just like today if my brother told me he feels he is a woman id look up a counselor to help him. A real one who accepts reality
In ancient times they would have executed them as sexual deviants. Treating it as a mental issue is pretty new in the scheme of things, and worshipping perverts is even newer. We didn't do things a certain way for thousands of years for no reason.
Some cultures probably just castrated them and sent them back to work or forced them into sex slavery. No need to kill a male whose body is still usable even if their mind is useless.
You're not knowledgeable of ancient societies at all with a comment like that.
The first thing you are doing is assuming that what you think is deviant, was always deviant. Your concept of deviant is basically coming from the Post-Enlightenment Anglosphere. Even though that might be a good thing, it doesn't change that completely different civilizations just have totally incompatible views on deviance.
Meanwhile, Ancient Greece's pederasty was so prevalent, it is likely the very origin for Afghanistan's "Bacha Bazi". The Ottomans were well known for their harems, and also their Jannisaries who were groomed as children. Mohammed married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 12. Sulla was married, but probably had a gay lover, and Alexander was almost certainly gay himself. Sparta was so god damned gay they endangered their own population growth rate, and created the most infamously resentful women in history. Islam is still littered with homosexual activity that is excused for any plethora of silly rationalizations including (and I've literally heard both of these): "Women are for children; men are for pleasure", and the infamous "Man Love Thursday" where it's okay because the holy day is tomorrow so I guess it doesn't count or something? The term for hermaphrodite originates from Greece (again, seeing a bit of a pattern here), and these types of, well, mutants, were seen as having been touched by deities. They were more oddities than "evil".
Even in Medieval Europe, gays wouldn't have just been executed, they were actually just ostracized to live in the equivalent of a Lepper Colony, because they very likely had an STD already.
They have made that illegal in many places.
Well that’s just my wishful thinking.
Well, you are lucky to live where you do, if I remember correctly, because that is one of the saner places.
I haven’t checked closely but I think it is still legal to have non affirming counseling here
There were a few civilizations that kinda did that "gender is just a state of mind bro" shit, but these are the same civilizations that thought slave labor was ok and that gods and whatnot controlled the earth.
To you it's deviant, and to me it's deviant, but I hate to play the cultural relativism card, but back then a lot of fucked up shit we now consider illegal or deviant was 'accepted'.
So yes, this shit existed back then, but that didn't make it ok. Using that fucker's logic, child marriage was also accepted back then, should we allow that too?
Why can't more people do the "You know, back then it did exist, but that doesn't excuse it being allowed now" state of mind. What's it with leftists always trying to asspull-reach their way back a hundred or a thousand years to excuse shit ideology and shit behaviors?
I agree. I never understood the logic that it happened in the past so it’s ok.
They're just projecting their perversions onto ancient people. The idea that others aren't motivated by degenerate fetishes like they are is beyond their imagination.
This sums it up well, I think.
As an actual historian who can read both obscure and ancient languages, I can concur.
This poster has no dick.
They'll just go back and make shit up. Like I.coulda sworn people were calling Jeanne d'arc trans a while back
Transgenderism didn't exist. However, autogynaphillia, gender dysphoria patients, and hermaphrodites did exist. None of it was morphed into an Leftist ideology.
Transgenderism has been historically documented...during the Late Stage of dying Civilizations...
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As demons.
He's probably referring to the myth of two-spirit people among native Americans. And he is right that it was applied to ancient civilizations, but only starting in 1990 when LGBT natives wanted to have a way of distinguishing their LGBT-ness from everyone else's. Because they had to be the specialist of snowflakes (yes, that's not a term that was around in the 90's, but if they can apply a new term to their past then I'll do the same to them.)
Porn isn't causing the tranny wave. It's grooming.
IMO it is both. And dropping of the overall T levels in the population for whatever reason you want to attribute that to.
Stretch the definition enough and you can get trans people everywhere I suppose.
Eunuchs ? Trans Females dressed as men ? Trans Communist ? Trans Mental illness ? Trans......wait not that one!!!
The modern concept of trans is less than a hundred years old and has virtually no connection to any ancient culture's concept of guys who wear dresses or gay guys. No amount of saying ist or phobe or threatening suicide can change this fact.
Yeah good luck restricting people under 18 from accessing porn.
Since there's been documentation of transpeople predating the internet, even if we magically prevented people from using the internet until they turned 18 at most we'd probably get rid of the people who want to be cats and anime characters.
Yeah, but how many were there before, and how many after?
99% of the problem can be solved with this simple trick.
Though a lot of older people also get obsessed with shemale and sissy porn and then want to 'become' women.
No, I've been listening to some true-crime podcasts. There's always been this strange glut of true crime cases where men want to 'become' women in their 40s or 50s. It's like something in their brain breaks and they start cross dressing and stealing clothes and shit.
It's fucking bizarre.
Still sounds like a net positive.
Probably, but I'm just looking at it realistically: to block everyone from accessing porn/social media online would require way too much of a nanny state. Parents needs to raise their own children better than to become retarded catfags.
You don't need to ban porn, just put a 100% tax on any revenue it generates. If we can have special taxes for cigarettes and alcohol why not for something that arguably hurts society much worse?
I'd rather not have taxes on ANY of that shit.
The problem is that many midwits, including on the right, actually accept this. I've actually had people on the right tell me that using 'they' as a singular pronoun is OK, because... troon talking point... it has been done since Shakespeare.
First of all, none of these degenerates has ever read Shakespeare. As the Merchant of Venice himself, I can guarantee you that. Secondly, I've never seen them produce any instance of Shakespeare doing that for any individual, only for a person whose gender is unknown.
To try to hijack the Bard, or ancient history, for your own sickness, is low even by their standards.
Which is where people on the right will tell you that using "they" as a singular pronoun is okay. It might be "their umbrella" but only until you have more information, at which point it becomes "his umbrella" or "her umbrella".
Yeah, this is the only time I use "they" as a singular, when I don't know what the sex of the person is. That's it. Any other time is retarded and needs to be thrown in the trash.
Reminds me of that confucious quote: "Person who have apple on neck and oranges on chest hides a banana near their waist."
Ahh, so it's checks notes mega rich people who are making people trans.
And definitely not the extreme underbelly of absolute vile human beings on social media, and in discord servers, 'cracking an egg' and pushing people into thinking they're trans when they're just young, naive, living in a shitty time to grow up, and are not handling it well.
Restricting internet wont stop it because they are trying to put this shit in the school system and teach it to kids.
To steal something from Sowell's playbook: "do you have any hard evidences for trans people existing in history?" Because, there isn't. It's all a lie.
no, they haven't.
The meme is the only correct tweet in that entire thread
porn did not create the tranny problem, thats just tradcons scapegoating. the tranny thing is grooming and feminism working together to make men and women hate themselves so much that they decide to try to emulate the other.
Keep downvoting geniuses, proof is right here https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/16aA4NLB58/must-watch-woman-coaches-young-b/c/
Porn or other sexual stimulus is a component of grooming.
The 'acceptance' of porn mostly came from feminism and the sexual revolution movement. He's right - it's a lazy fucking way to address the root cause of the problem. Sexual degeneracy and porn was allowed because feminism and other cultural "revolution" movements normalized degeneracy by pushing ideology that it's perfectly ok to openly talk about how you took 10 dildos in your ass as acceptable.
It's the same ideology that tries to normalize being a whore and calling it "sex work".
It's the same ideology telling women that they are worth more than being a tradwife - so they go out and do pornography instead since they have no worth because they're on the low end of IQ spectrum.
It's the same ideology that encourages women to be "sex positive" and demonizes men for having a male sex drive.
It's the same ideology that encourages women to fuck as many men as possible because having a high body count and having someone point it out to them just means the other person is the problem and not you as the woman.
I could go on and on, but you are going after the symptom by wanting porn removed. All this shit happened because we allowed idpol ideology to fester.
Aaaand it probably was being funded by some weirdos with pointy hats as well.... hint hint.
The part that's kinda worrying for me is I don't see ANY other way to fix this other than turning into an authoritarian state. Banning teaching Gender Studies, Critical Race Theory, Marxism, etc. - making it illegal to teach them in schools, public and private, to have them in books that are to be used at school, and to strongly discourage its use in media. It goes against my principles as being a free speech supporter, but I also understand when you have to take the gloves off and simply say fuck it, we need to save society, principles be damned.
There is verifiable documentable proof all this far left idpol shit is HARMFUL to society, and we'd just be better off banishing that shit to the ends of the earth.
because toddlers are watching porn right?
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/16aA4NLB58/must-watch-woman-coaches-young-b/c/
It didn't create it but it absolutely amplifies the problem way more than ever seen before.
How did you get so close but also so far?
The reason for trans is feminist propaganda, either men internalizing the hatred or girls being too dumb to realize male privilege doesn't exist.
When you look at these as disorders, you pretty much always come upon some fuckup by the parents. In the case of autogynephilic men, that's usually the mother.
I definitely think there are girls that have been traumatized into not wanting to be a woman any more. As if turning into a man is a way to avoid being raped again.