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Suddenly, historical context doesn't matter when it involves magical wheelchairs (media.communities.win)
posted 63 days ago by folx 63 days ago by folx +58 / -0
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– Norenia 83 points 63 days ago +83 / -0

Using all that powerful magic to create tools for crippled to move around, instead of healing said cripples

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– novanleon 49 points 63 days ago +50 / -1

This is because they see their mental illness or disability as part of their identity, not as something they need to struggle to overcome.

In Christianity, one of the worst things you can do is willingly accept your sin. You're supposed to reject it and struggle against it, your entire life if necessary. These people not only accept their sin, they celebrate it and try to force others to celebrate it too.

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– Kaarous 28 points 63 days ago +28 / -0

That's what an abomination is after all. They don't want forgiveness or self improvement. They want to wallow in depravity.

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– Xachariah 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

Your point took me a while in my life to understand.

I used to have a struggle on the theological question of hell merely being the absence of God. "Why would people in hell curse God for being there, instead of just asking for redemption and joining him?"

I still have no fucking clue why, but it's also clear now that they do in fact do this.

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– Oppressinator 15 points 63 days ago +15 / -0

Have you ever heard of capital-d Deaf people? They rebuke the idea of any hearing aids, and are terrified at the thought of their children living a better life through technology, or worse, not being born crippled.

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– ailurus 10 points 63 days ago +10 / -0

This is because they see their mental illness or disability as part of their identity, not as something they need to struggle to overcome.

This is, IMO, one of the biggest (if not the biggest) issues today. Pretty much every aspect of society is honed in on this. You need to find where you have victim points, and you need to keep harping on that and how that makes you special. And people are so focused on why they're a special victim that nothing gets changed, improved or accomplished.

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– Smith1980 25 points 63 days ago +25 / -0

That’s what I was saying. If a player wants to have a wheel chair for their character they can right? But isn’t the point of the game escapism?

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– Grant_us_eyes 33 points 63 days ago +33 / -0

It's just attention-whoring by any other means. Actively bad behavior to make sure you're always paying attention to them.

I'd bet good money that any player who comes up with such a character concept that they'd twist the setting's verisimilitude into an unholy escher pretzel to excuse it would constantly harp and harass everyone to make sure that they accommodate their special snowflake at every turn and twist.

And if you don't, then they throw a screaming fit, using their imaginary disabilities as an excuse to upend the table and twist the DM around their little finger.

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– -Fender- 18 points 63 days ago +18 / -0

You know, regardless of how good those wheels are, they would still severely limit a person's available range of movements, prevent them from jumping without exerting great force, limit their speed, and require use of their hands to move, which would mean letting go of their weapon. A single rock or a small ledge would be all you'd need to immobilize them.

If the DM was controlling monsters and bandits in a realistic way, then any intelligent creature facing the character could either control the flow of combat to make him virtually useless, or just kill him from a distance because he'd practically be a sitting duck. He wouldn't live past the first encounter.

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– Puppy528 2 points 62 days ago +2 / -0

They aren't wanting this to actually play D&D. They want this to force others to focus on them rather than D&D.

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– -Fender- 2 points 62 days ago +2 / -0

Well, any DM that enables their bullshit deserves everything he gets.

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– BulbasaurusThe7th 11 points 63 days ago +11 / -0

I would also be inclined to believe they are more like the chronic fatigue type, not actually disabled.

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– ClownTamer 11 points 63 days ago +11 / -0

That’s what I thought. Would even people in wheelchairs want to ‘role play’ as people that also can’t walk? The point is everyone’s going around as a warrior of some kind fighting or supporting them. Being in a wheelchair wouldn’t even permit people to move around in most of those fantasy type worlds.

Are they going to climb a mountain in the chair? Or venture into a dungeon…in the chair? Are they going to run away from a dragon…in the chair? Better hope the Nightmare Castle™ has wheelchair ramps. Maybe it’s the Nightmare Castle™ because it has no ramps?

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– Smith1980 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

Kinda kills the fun of using your imagination

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– TheModernDaVinci 5 points 63 days ago +5 / -0

At least in my worlds, the people who willing reject healing and restoration magic is because it goes against their religion. Instead of “It makes me special and unique!”

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– Kalamander85 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

I kind of like the religious excuse. I'd imagine a temple or monastery having a person wheelchair bound, with the grounds having some accommodations, but I'd also imagine the monks there wouldn't have blinged out chairs.

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– TheModernDaVinci 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

In my world, it is the followers of Ilmater, who is the god of perseverance, suffering, and martyrdom. So I thought it thematically appropriate that his followers would forgo having limbs restored after a severe injury, instead getting creative to survive with their new weakness.

Which is to say you are right, anyone wheelchair bound will be in as simple of a vehicle as it takes to get the job done.

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– Norenia 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

Sounds like someone won't last long in a group, unless they're amazing herbalists with a knack for restorative potions.

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– TheModernDaVinci 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

To be fair, you can still get “life-saving” magic done (healing spells, restoration against deadly aliments). It is just limb restoration that is forbidden.

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– Bottle_of_Memes 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

How long before healing magic is banned from D&D because it's "abelist and trivializes the plight of people with injuries and disabilities"

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– Shill4Hire 43 points 63 days ago +43 / -0

"You reach the old ruins. They have a stairwell. The world is now doomed, because you wanted to spend 2k gold on a fancy wheelchair instead of 300-odd gold on a restoration spell."

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– Yashimata 12 points 63 days ago +12 / -0

"You come across a cleric of Ilmater. He takes pity on you having to ride such a gaudy contraption and, before you can protest, casts a restoration spell on you."

Oops, guess you can walk now.

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– deleted 41 points 63 days ago +41 / -0
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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 29 points 63 days ago +29 / -0

These people don't possess theory of mind, so the only way they can struggle to process differences of opinion is by projecting a cartoon villain persona into everyone they don't like.

We're not thinking "magical wheelchairs are thematically inconsistent and I don't like them", because that's a thought process, and wokies cannot emulate foreign thoughts. No, we must see these wheelchairs, rise from our onyx thrones in fury, and start stomping around our castles yelling "blast those Care Bears, they've done it again!" to no one in particular. And the reason we must be doing that is that the mind of a woke person cannot imagine something more nuanced.

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– deleted 20 points 63 days ago +20 / -0
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– MegoThor 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

NPC’s can’t picture an apple in their mind’s eye, much less a fantasy world.

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– DWSage007 11 points 63 days ago +11 / -0

Do not assume they are too dumb to figure it out. They are malicious and should be treated as such.

They know no one really cares except for a small cadre of Mean Girls and 2-digit IQ normies, but they will use any avenue to destroy what's popular so long as it gets them an iota of attention and endorphins.

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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 9 points 63 days ago +9 / -0

I dunno, I think the average wokie foot soldier really is that soulless and stupid. There's a reason their masters call them "useful idiots" behind their backs. Your bog standard, pronouns in bio having, picrew avatar using, celebrity retweeting drone is a factory produced subhuman with an IQ of 80.

It's the higher ups that are malevolent. The CEOs, upper managers, politicians. It's anyone with power, with the exception of people who were installed in said positions so they'd inadvertently destroy the whole system via their own stupidity. AOC, for example. She's not evil, she's just a complete retard. Why waste the resources installing a demon to tear everything down when you can just place a termite in there and let nature take its course?

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– trump4045 34 points 63 days ago +34 / -0

No fantasizing about hot girls though.

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– NoGardE 25 points 63 days ago +25 / -0

Nor about a species that is 8 feet tall and muscle bound, having cultural differences with a species that is 3 feet tall and lithe.

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– toxicbiofacts 4 points 63 days ago +4 / -0

Where are her organs?

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– Galean 21 points 63 days ago +21 / -0

Just to point something, we had old people before wheel chairs, neither of my grandparents used wheel chairs to move around and I still have 2 living grandmas.

Wheel chairs are a stupid concept in a classical DnD adventure, I would not play if that was even discussed. You may as well have cars, traffic jams, cubicles, everyone having wand pistols, jeans, social media and OnlyFans. You can add all of those in your "MEDIEVAL" fantasy setting if you want, but it is a stupid concept and I would not play it. I also am opposed to guns - I know it is controversial but I just do not like them in medieval settings.

It can work in a setting like Shadowrun.

And to address the original tweet, I do not rage I just refuse it, leftists rage.

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– Sonic_Shredder 19 points 63 days ago +19 / -0

In DND, there wouldn't be cripples for the same reason there wouldn't be trans people. If you live in a world where magic and magic users are plentiful, why would anyone be crippled at all? You'd just magically heal or spell beg the issue away immediately.

Plus what fucking dungeon is going to have accessibility ramps?

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– SoctaticMethod1 17 points 63 days ago +17 / -0

I would have used magic to heal or had a beast carry me

As what's more badass, a wheelchair or being into your adventure on the back of a giant dire wolf or dragon!

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– Galean 14 points 63 days ago +14 / -0

A dire wolf would be cool and I even have a couple of miniatures for that. Having a wheelchair to me is the same as most woke things, it just says "look at me and how special I am".

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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 9 points 63 days ago +10 / -1

That's the entire point of character flaws. It's something they have to overcome in a unique way. Flaws are what make a character interesting.

A paraplegic who becomes a beastmaster out of necessity is a cool idea. There's a lot of character building you could do with that concept. Maybe they had to overcome a fear of animals. Or maybe they started off thinking that animals are just disgusting creatures you use like a tool, only to find that they've developed a deep bond with their dire wolf.

A paraplegic who was gifted a magic flying wheelchair by a wizard? Much less interesting. Maybe if you're 8 years old, but no adult should like that idea, because it's boring. The disabled person didn't grow or struggle, they just received (or possibly bought) a hovercraft. It's just taking the real world and making it more convenient. It's about as boring a story as you could write.

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– SoctaticMethod1 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

Exactly! Adds more depth into the character and game!

Though thinking about it, since this is DnD, I have now created more jokes for bards by changing the dire wolf to Werewolf or just making it a Druid....

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– Cyberguy64 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't be opposed to a magical hovercraft, so long as actual effort was put into it. How do you power it? How do you control it? How do you maintain it? How do you cope if it takes damage and gets crippled? There are ways to make it interesting. People just take the path of least resistance.

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– Grumman 4 points 63 days ago +4 / -0

Exactly! If you're going to play someone who can't walk, at least do something interesting with it. If the Red Wizard of Thay rocks up on a palanquin carried by a pair of hearty bodyguards, that's a lot cooler than this combat wheelchair tripe.

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– TheModernDaVinci 4 points 63 days ago +4 / -0

I remember an old story of a guy who played as a Goblin wizard that had absurd INT but abysmal CON. So he was carried everywhere by a gang of goblins, who bore his throne out of either fear or reverence, and while a stiff breeze could kill him, he would turn people to meat slush with a flick of the wrist.

But wheelchairs…

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– Grumman 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

Also a cool idea. If somebody asked me to play such a character, I'd get to work statting out a Goblin Swarm to represent the gang.

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– kxitx 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

in a game with friends, I played a battlesmith artificer whose steel defender was a chair with many tiny legs that carried him around

he spoke with an odd accent wore tinted glasses and a leather glove on his right hand and he occasionally looked like he was wrestling with his right arm

it never got to it but I said to my friend who was DMing if this character ever dies please make sure it's in a giant explosion with the time for him to say one thing

I don't think anyone knew what I was referencing with this character though

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– AnotherSchwarzesMark 15 points 63 days ago +15 / -0

Hey, you are allowed to play a wheelchair bound character in my campaign....every single dungeon and every single house has a step though.

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– MLGS 14 points 63 days ago +14 / -0

Combat wheelchairs don't work in D&D for the same reason there are no transgender people in Star Trek, the setting makes fixing the underlying problem incredibly easy. There's no point in trying to explain that to a tabletop communist, because they didn't reason themselves into supporting combat wheelchairs and the only response that will actually work is hostility and keeping them out of your games.

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– Twatwaffle 12 points 63 days ago +12 / -0

Useless eaters were left to die. That's why you don't see handicap in history

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– ScienceGuyWontComply 10 points 63 days ago +10 / -0

It's called a 'Cleric', Hellooo!!

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– CptLightning 10 points 63 days ago +10 / -0

I hope WOTC really rams these people up the ass. Won't affect me, I'm still playing TSR's DnD

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– Kienan 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

They'd like it.

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– ScienceGuyWontComply 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

I'm still playing TSR's DnD

same.

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– evilmathmagician2 9 points 63 days ago +9 / -0

"Wild magic zone" "mondo magic" what the hell is this nigger talking about? Is this a 5e thing?

I'd allow the wheelchairs, but it would pushed into a custom class focused on slave morality. The pc would have a pact with a supernatural being (I'm sure one of the gods would go for it, there are evil ones) that empowers them the more they cripple and victimize themselves. The wheelchairs would only be super items when used by the slave moralist, it's just a normal wheelchair when used by others. The ones being sold at a high price are just scams.

One of the class restrictions would be that they lose all of their class powers if they receive magical healing. They would eventually get bonuses for taking damage, but it would be countered by mental frailty that at least makes them do a will check (they should have a low will save) to avoid losing their turn in combat. Could probably push it into a type of undeath so they can receive abnormal amounts of crippling.

They should immediately lose a level if they acknowledge their strength in any way. The stronger they get, the weaker they should perceive themselves, which is basically accurate, because it's their supernatural sponsor providing all their power just for the purpose of corrupting their soul.

Could be an interesting class, lots of roleplay opportunities that feed into rollplay.

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– SturmMilfEnthusiast 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

Wild magic has been around since 2e.

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– evilmathmagician2 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

As a magic type, sure. As a zone type? Never heard of that.

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– MorbidlyCatatonic 8 points 63 days ago +8 / -0

They live in a dream world, as Fantasy is usually set in the equivalent of medieval times. Cripples and the elderly would usually be bedridden or wouldn't survive infancy- At a stretch magic could fix them, but that'd most likely be for the wealthy... To which these loons would probably hate anyway

By all means, make your warrior wheelchair bound but good luck complaining at getting disability ramps installed in literally every dungeon ever.

What happened to RPG's being escapism? You make a character which isn't you, so you can experience the world through your character. You can't do that if you inject yourself in there as its impossible.

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– jenniferq8 8 points 63 days ago +8 / -0

I'm reading through the replies and this guy is extremely insufferable. It's always the same with people like this: I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet the people he plays with have zero issue with him pretending to be cripple because of his dead brother or whatever. That isn't enough, though. Every one on twitter has to give him affirmation or else they are ableist. Also gonna guess his autism is self diagnosed.

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– AllGunsNoCope 8 points 63 days ago +8 / -0

Complaining about what other people put in their DND game is a position of weakness. You cant win like that. You can make fun of it as a disaffected third party, but you cant expect to persuade it away, so dont get invested and dont spend emotional effort on it. Dont bother with logic either. Just say they look retarded or something.

Then put sexy women and improbable violence and whatever you want in your DND game, and laugh at them when they tell you to change it. That's the position of strength.

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– AgnosticTemplar 7 points 63 days ago +7 / -0

The idea of there being wheelchairs in a medieval fantasy setting isn't the problem, it's the idea of crippled adventurers and that evil necromancers and dragons would make their lairs conveniently wheelchair accessible is what's retarded. There's a reason why standard adventure gear for all classes includes lengths of rope and a grappling hook. What are they gonna do when they encounter a beholder? Those things use their innate levitation make their lairs a series of vertical shafts specifically to foil would-be intruders.

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– Strike08 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

Beholders are extremely paranoid and will have a trap against anything that exists in said universe. So have fun dying to the wheelchair trap

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– TriangleGang 6 points 63 days ago +6 / -0

In a world where magic can raise the dead and cure serious sword/arrow/mace wounds, why would there be anyone that used a wheelchair?

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– RoulerBleu 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

Crafting and enchanting a wheelchair to make it so the crip can dungeon-crawl with the pals is going to be alot more complicated and expensive than any spell required to fix whatever physical problem the crip has.

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– acp_k2win 6 points 63 days ago +6 / -0

It is a victory lap showing cultural and institutional colonization.

The old neckbeards would have laughed the idea out of the room. The gay commies put it in to show that the rainbow dildo brigade is in control now.

Gay commies don't think that anything has any utility except in how it harms their political enemies.

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– bamboozler1 6 points 63 days ago +6 / -0

Slight tangent: what is with the wheelchair IdPol, lately..??

They seem to be pushing this absolutely everywhere, including in fiction (sci fi, fantasy) where it doesn’t necessarily make sense…

Also in advertising. Christ, it’s been everywhere, these last couple of months…

It’s weird. Like “interracial couples in advertising” weird…

Don’t get me wrong, I really love the Paralympics. Like, I’m a massive supporter. And I have no problem with “wheelies” being present in relevant situations. But this feels like a whole other thing, now…

Much like trannies, why the fuck should we be changing speculative fiction to suit such a tiny, tiny part of the population?? I don’t get it…

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– SparkMandrill83 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

Its just another method of attack to add to the tired and true classics of sexism, racism, etc.

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– toxicbiofacts 1 point 63 days ago +2 / -1

Don’t get me wrong, I really love the Paralympics. Like, I’m a massive supporter.

The paralympics are a freak show masquerading as feel-good nonsense.

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– SparkMandrill83 5 points 63 days ago +5 / -0

Gatekeep everything, as hard as you can, for any reason. We dont owe them our spaces.

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– deleted 5 points 63 days ago +5 / -0
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– RoccoRatchet 4 points 63 days ago +4 / -0

furries

Opinion entirely disregarded.

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– Ricky_CIA 4 points 63 days ago +4 / -0

Furries all need to be cast into volcanoes.

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– BwonsamdiTheDead 3 points 63 days ago +3 / -0

Any DM who allows magic wheelchairs is a boring and uncreative DM. Next.

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– realerfunction 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

WHY

WOULD

YOU

NEED

A

WHEELCHAIR

WHEN

YOU

CAN

LITERALLY

HEAL

DEATH

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– Brennus 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

Bishop Steiner is such a loser. I really wonder if the rumors of a warrant for his arrest is really the reason he moved to Mexico.

It’s unjust that catalyst will keep this guy on payroll but not Pardoe

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– BetterNameUnfound 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

You'll hate me for this, but from an aesthetic standpoint, I mostly like those chair designs. Mostly.

Yeah, I expect downvotes for that. I just like elegance, okay?

They still defeat the purpose of the magic, as Norenia's comment stated. Why not just heal the injured?

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– Flarisu 2 points 63 days ago +2 / -0

D&D is already messed up historically. Tumbler locks opened by keys, for example, a common D&D trope, weren't invented until we had the ability to machine, far past the medieval era it pertains to.

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– Vebent 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

Remember back in the day when casting magic spells had a huge limit and you can only do a certain amount per day along with doing checks or whatever? That’s why we don’t have random magical objects. If it were that simple then magic would be used similarly to Harry Potter. Cast a quick spell and your chores are done.

Oh, and the elderly? Never heard of a single elderly person in D&D being in a wheelchair. The elderly NPC’s weren’t active, but they still got around. Goddamn these fuckin newbies taking over the game are so fuckin retarded.

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– Jack 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

Fuck sakes, there's a lot to say about this, not worth my time so I'll just say this:

If I'm fucking wheelchair bound irl I SURE AS FUCK would not want to role play as one in a FUCKING FANTSY GAME!

If a DM wanna throw a NPC that uses a wheelchair and use it in a plot like the old innkeeper was a member of some expedition team and you need to take him along, or a prisoner you're breaking out with has the plans and lack the mobility so you have to work together. But to RP as handicapped? No one wants that except libtards, no wait. They don't want that, they want make this into an issue and force it as an option so they think they accomplished something. It saddens me that this works and has been working for quite some time now and normies still haven't push back against it.

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– Sumsuch 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

The best part of tabletop gaming is that you can add or remove anything you want without having any impact on other players.

Must drive these people crazy.

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– Decrixxx 1 point 63 days ago +1 / -0

those are good weapon designs.

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– SomeRando 1 point 62 days ago +1 / -0

"YoUr TeArS ar-

Non-existent. You are an ugly, cum-stained, overweight furfaggot creature who managed make DnD even more unpalattable.

I can think of no better way to evaporate every bit of moisture in a room full of women than to mention the expanded DnD universe complete with wheelchair accessibility.

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