The Ukraine and their paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are the ones who decided to poke the bear here. Perhaps they ought not to have spent the better part of a decade shelling what are ostensibly their own cities because the inhabitants speak Russian?
Wasn't Russia funding insurgents that were attacking Ukrainians with weapons, money, mercenaries and their own troops which eventually led the shot down of an airliner?
If you like, you can consume Russian CNN from Pravda and rt, just don't pretend they are more factual than CNN, since neither are truthful.
Frankly, Russia banning independent media is really funny. That would be like America banning info wars, breitbart, fox news, oan, Newsmax and more, and only allow CNN, NBC, ABC. Which I will be honest, I find it very weird for people like you(who defends Russia) to cheer a country that does that, and yet consume news that is not from a Democrat approved source like CNN.
Independent media lol. How to disqualify yourself from a conversation in two words.
Let me clarify something for you. Flat out, I do not believe in so called freedom of the press. I think journalists are subhuman and newspapers are a punch line. So whining about how the Russians banned a bunch of corrupt DNC media outlets will fall on deaf ears.
If you have any actual proof of who shot down that plane I'd love to see it. But all you have is the Lugenpresse.
There's no way to know if it was the Russian or Ukrainian militants that shot down the airliner. Not saying I believe Russia's investigation but there are questions.
If you can't actually win and the only reason you keep fighting is because your government is a puppet state of a government that just wants to damage your invader as much as possible while you are ground into dust and your position to negotiate constantly deteriorates then yes it is "dragging out a war."
what the hell is going on here? the guy who doesn't know the legit government got overthrown in a 'color revolution' while the jewish empires puppet junta killing it's own citizens let every peace treaty with russia go unfullfilled getting downvoted?
next you're gonna tell me you guys stop posting 'dem eurofags should pay more into nato hurrdurr, we be protecting them' and realize nato doesn't only occupy europe but also your own nation.
Russia is attacking with up to 2,500 shells and rockets an hour, ten times more than Ukraine fires off, according to officials in Kyiv — and killing up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers a day, said an aide to President Volodymyr Zelensky.
“The only thing we can do is hide,” said Monk, a member of the Ukrainian air defense.
Eh, they kinda were, then they stopped trying to learn Western-style manoeuvre warfare while under fire and went back to the grinding, artillery-heavy-and-sod-the-collateral-damage advance that's bread-and-butter for Russian forces.
Yeah, that's been happening since the moment the first BMP crossed the border. Libs have genocidal fantasies and project them on Putin, so when Putin doesn't genocide six gorillion Ukrainians, it means the Ghost of Keef and the Ass Bandit of Odessa are stopping him. What a loser, ha!
i just hate that i don't even like putin, but i always find myself defending him when talking to nps, because they believe whatever the media tells them.
Basically everyone said Russia was doomed and stunning and brave Ukraine was kicking their ass. The line was Russia was getting thrashed and embarrassed, because they are stupid and bad.
Nope, it was expected for russia to conquer Ukraine completely in a few weeks. They are gaining some ground and lose in others. They gained a city, but lost snake island.
Except for parts of the southern shoreline, the Russian controlled parts of Ukraine are pro-Russian. For the most part, each side is holding loyalist territory.
Part of the problem is that Russia needs that southern shoreline to make other bits they've conquered viable. Sucks to live in a bit of the world that Russia needs, I guess, because they're taking it whether you want them to or not...
To the extent this indicates anything at all, it's that the war will drag on. The war's trajectory will become clearer in the next 4 weeks as Ukraine's new toys come into service and their effect (if any) becomes apparent.
Dragging out a war designed to kill as many slavs as possible is saving lives. 🤡🌏
TIL defending your country against invasion is "dragging out a war". People should just surrender when invaded, apparently.
The Ukraine and their paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are the ones who decided to poke the bear here. Perhaps they ought not to have spent the better part of a decade shelling what are ostensibly their own cities because the inhabitants speak Russian?
Wasn't Russia funding insurgents that were attacking Ukrainians with weapons, money, mercenaries and their own troops which eventually led the shot down of an airliner?
Russia was instigating conflict because NATO charter says countries with civil wars can't join. Same thing Russia did in Georgia.
We decided they can join anyway, even with active conflicts. Same thing we did in Georgia.
The Ukrainian blood is entirely on our hands.
Why is that supposed to be true, because CNN said so?
No, facts said so.
If you like, you can consume Russian CNN from Pravda and rt, just don't pretend they are more factual than CNN, since neither are truthful.
Frankly, Russia banning independent media is really funny. That would be like America banning info wars, breitbart, fox news, oan, Newsmax and more, and only allow CNN, NBC, ABC. Which I will be honest, I find it very weird for people like you(who defends Russia) to cheer a country that does that, and yet consume news that is not from a Democrat approved source like CNN.
Independent media lol. How to disqualify yourself from a conversation in two words.
Let me clarify something for you. Flat out, I do not believe in so called freedom of the press. I think journalists are subhuman and newspapers are a punch line. So whining about how the Russians banned a bunch of corrupt DNC media outlets will fall on deaf ears.
If you have any actual proof of who shot down that plane I'd love to see it. But all you have is the Lugenpresse.
So you are a Democrat then? Or you never read any news? Then how come you came to the conclusion Russia is the "good guy"?
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/06/22/new-google-earth-satellite-update-confirms-presence-of-buk-in-eastern-ukraine/
You mean all those news sources that are banned from every channel and website? And no fox News isn't anything but mainstream lies.
Was it done by government, like by decree and jailed everyone who said anything against the government's word?
There's no way to know if it was the Russian or Ukrainian militants that shot down the airliner. Not saying I believe Russia's investigation but there are questions.
Yes there was, because the buk was caught in satellite then showed its movement back into Russian.
Why are you dragging this debate on? Just accept my victory.
Go join the 41 percent, bitch.
Cry more, shitstain.
Well some males tried to flee. Got conscripted instead and travel ban put on males from teens to 60s
Unless they are foreign nogs and sand people. Then they got a free pass to the uk
Low IQ reflected by repeating something blatantly untrue. They held foreigners as well
If you can't actually win and the only reason you keep fighting is because your government is a puppet state of a government that just wants to damage your invader as much as possible while you are ground into dust and your position to negotiate constantly deteriorates then yes it is "dragging out a war."
Plz stop dragging out this debate. Just accept your loss and surrender the argument to me, the clear victor.
It's senseless to die on behalf of a cancerous foreign occupier pillaging your country.
what the hell is going on here? the guy who doesn't know the legit government got overthrown in a 'color revolution' while the jewish empires puppet junta killing it's own citizens let every peace treaty with russia go unfullfilled getting downvoted?
next you're gonna tell me you guys stop posting 'dem eurofags should pay more into nato hurrdurr, we be protecting them' and realize nato doesn't only occupy europe but also your own nation.
Civil War
I thought Russia was losing...
Slowed down is not losing.
Eh, they kinda were, then they stopped trying to learn Western-style manoeuvre warfare while under fire and went back to the grinding, artillery-heavy-and-sod-the-collateral-damage advance that's bread-and-butter for Russian forces.
I don't think anyone said that. Russia lost some territory but is gaining in others.
So many msm experts have said that
They haven't.
Lol go to the Ukraine Conflict subreddit. Literally every comment is about how Ukraine has the Russians right where they want them
I saw someone on this very board give a long comment one or two days back about how Russia certainly "wasn't winning."
they are taking their own projection of what russias goals are and comparing it to what happened.
in reality all propaganda boasting by bear-riding-putin aside russia has won more than it ever set out to.
which makes me go full tin-foil. it was a pre-planned war.
Yeah, that's been happening since the moment the first BMP crossed the border. Libs have genocidal fantasies and project them on Putin, so when Putin doesn't genocide six gorillion Ukrainians, it means the Ghost of Keef and the Ass Bandit of Odessa are stopping him. What a loser, ha!
i just hate that i don't even like putin, but i always find myself defending him when talking to nps, because they believe whatever the media tells them.
Basically everyone said Russia was doomed and stunning and brave Ukraine was kicking their ass. The line was Russia was getting thrashed and embarrassed, because they are stupid and bad.
One is saying Russian is being embarrased due to their losses and mistakes, another is saying they are losing the war.
A battle is not the war.
They, Russia, certainly have won quite a few battles and lost some.
Nope, it was expected for russia to conquer Ukraine completely in a few weeks. They are gaining some ground and lose in others. They gained a city, but lost snake island.
What insurgency?
Except for parts of the southern shoreline, the Russian controlled parts of Ukraine are pro-Russian. For the most part, each side is holding loyalist territory.
Part of the problem is that Russia needs that southern shoreline to make other bits they've conquered viable. Sucks to live in a bit of the world that Russia needs, I guess, because they're taking it whether you want them to or not...
Just the Americans and Europeans trying to turn Ukraine into Syria and Libya.
To the extent this indicates anything at all, it's that the war will drag on. The war's trajectory will become clearer in the next 4 weeks as Ukraine's new toys come into service and their effect (if any) becomes apparent.