Preventing the government from indoctrinating your kids is not an infringement of freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech is understood as: "preventing viewpoint discrimination by the government against the citizenry."
The government is a fundamentally coercive force that exists solely at the behest of the people. It does not have free speech rights. It is a weapon. The government is not engaging in the expression of a viewpoint, it's purpose is to train the students in alignment with the curriculum. The government is forbidden from expressing a multiplicity of viewpoints because there is a greater concern that the advocacy of those view points is not politically neutral, and may engage in silencing.
Teachers employed by the government are assigned a curriculum. That curriculum is not speech. The teachers are acting as government trainers and are not engaging in speech. Any free speech done by a bureaucrat is to be done outside of the bureaucracy, otherwise they are speaking on behalf of the state. And the state has no innate right to speak at all. Let alone freely.
This is actually one of the reasons that active duty US military personnel are required not to engage in political speech in a way that might use their military status as a political weapon. The apolitical nature of the military is an imperative for freedom to survive at all. If soldiers want to attend political rallies and speak in support of politicians, they normally have to take off their uniform, and can't invoke that they are speaking on behalf of the state. It is their endorsement, not the state's endorsement.
As such, these teachers are the same. They are representatives of the state, and they are attempting to endorse a single viewpoint and train according to that single viewpoint. They are not speaking freely, they are speaking as an agent of the state.
The government is a weapon, not a person. Weapons don't have rights.
The way it was taught to me is that there are civil liberties and civil rights, with the liberties having a 'shall not be infringed' constructions, and the rights being the ones granted via government forcing them to be so.
Nowhere in that education was it taught that natural rights are granted by virtue of being, and everything the government claims to do for you, it does to you. Especially when it tramples on your 'civil liberties.' For example, Andrew Jackson after the Supreme Court ruled against him: “John Marshall has made his decision now let him enforce it.” The trail of tears followed.
Veiled force underlies everything.
You have the scraps of natural rights that the government deigns to not take.
Preventing the government from indoctrinating your kids is not an infringement of freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech is understood as: "preventing viewpoint discrimination by the government against the citizenry."
The government is a fundamentally coercive force that exists solely at the behest of the people. It does not have free speech rights. It is a weapon. The government is not engaging in the expression of a viewpoint, it's purpose is to train the students in alignment with the curriculum. The government is forbidden from expressing a multiplicity of viewpoints because there is a greater concern that the advocacy of those view points is not politically neutral, and may engage in silencing.
Teachers employed by the government are assigned a curriculum. That curriculum is not speech. The teachers are acting as government trainers and are not engaging in speech. Any free speech done by a bureaucrat is to be done outside of the bureaucracy, otherwise they are speaking on behalf of the state. And the state has no innate right to speak at all. Let alone freely.
This is actually one of the reasons that active duty US military personnel are required not to engage in political speech in a way that might use their military status as a political weapon. The apolitical nature of the military is an imperative for freedom to survive at all. If soldiers want to attend political rallies and speak in support of politicians, they normally have to take off their uniform, and can't invoke that they are speaking on behalf of the state. It is their endorsement, not the state's endorsement.
As such, these teachers are the same. They are representatives of the state, and they are attempting to endorse a single viewpoint and train according to that single viewpoint. They are not speaking freely, they are speaking as an agent of the state.
The government is a weapon, not a person. Weapons don't have rights.
Absolutely agree.
The way it was taught to me is that there are civil liberties and civil rights, with the liberties having a 'shall not be infringed' constructions, and the rights being the ones granted via government forcing them to be so.
Nowhere in that education was it taught that natural rights are granted by virtue of being, and everything the government claims to do for you, it does to you. Especially when it tramples on your 'civil liberties.' For example, Andrew Jackson after the Supreme Court ruled against him: “John Marshall has made his decision now let him enforce it.” The trail of tears followed.
Veiled force underlies everything.
You have the scraps of natural rights that the government deigns to not take.
It's worth remembering that.
Your natural rights are defended by the constitution... of men.
We are not a nation of laws. We are nation of men, with a state of laws.
Yep, which is why the state of education bothers me so.
What are the men of tomorrow being taught?
They are being taught not to send their kids to college and have them just get jobs straight out of school.
That's what I've been telling them at least.