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Skywise 11 points ago +11 / -0

β€œAre we the baddies?”

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AboriginalIvory 4 points ago +4 / -0

No.. We can march under the banner of a Rats Anus.

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Steampunk_Moustache 3 points ago +3 / -0

Don't know why you're being downvoted.

The Chechens are NOT nice people. They're so 'not nice' that the ADL will support nazis against them.

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DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 5 points ago +6 / -1

Do we have any evidence of this besides some pictures and a guy who's covering his face in the video?

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ThatsAlright [S] 14 points ago +14 / -0

The tattoo's the MMA fighter has match the person on the video.

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BandageBandolier 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dude seems to change his tats a lot, but the most recent videos I found of him do seem to match the left arm quite well, 3:15 for a pretty clear view of left arm. Video quality is too poor on the torture clip to say much about the right arm other than they both have sleeves. The headwrap also covers where the distinctive neck tattoos would be.

So can't say it's him but I can't find anything to say it's not him yet.

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DomitiusOfMassilia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do we even know that this is torture? Do we even know that this was done by Ukranian government agents? What are they even saying?

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BandageBandolier 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can't really verify any of those remotely. Maybe it's torture, maybe it's acting, that's not normal prisoner treatment though. I don't think they were claiming the gov did it, they're claiming it's one of the neonazi militias that abducted him.

I was just doing the first check to see if was even the right guy.

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DomitiusOfMassilia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fair enough.

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SupremeReader 1 point ago +2 / -1

They make him say the slogan that the Chechen goons make constantly in their videos from Ukraine: "Akhmat Sila" (Akhmat Power) as to mock it.

Because "trained with Russians of the club Akhmat" here actually means he trained with the very same Chechen death squads now roaming around Kiev (and with their Death Battalion in the east of the country, and this is the name they chose for themselves).

Video related: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qz-F_cnp0bE

Is it guilt by association? Perhaps. But surely it's not just "for training with Russians".

Of course the commentariat over here knows nothing about what is going on. All they need is one of another Russian twitter account, curiously exempt from the Russian ban on twitter, to tell them what to think. And they're like trained dogs who don't even try to think by themselves. You, at least, asked some questions. Most people here are already programmed.

It's all so tiresome.

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DomitiusOfMassilia 1 point ago +1 / -0

They make him say the slogan that the Chechen goons make constantly in their videos from Ukraine: "Akhmat Sila" (Akhmat Power) as to mock it.

Okay, so these appear to be some kind of Ukrainian personnel ordering him to repeat a Chechen slogan because they appear to know who he is, and this is to mock him for having trained with the Chechen unit, or been a member of a Chechen unit?

And when you say training, do you mean combat training or do you mean sport training?

On the issue of Chechen death squads, I want to be sure we're being crystal clear on what we are talking about. Are you saying that Chechen volunteers, affiliated with the Russian army, are engaged in execution patrols around Kiev that are assigned explicitly to execute any and all Ukranians they come into contact with?

Or, are you saying that they are a "death squad" as part of their name. In my time, I had a lot of friends who would be part of "death's head" style named units, many of whom were not even infantry. What they might call themselves is different from what they actually do.

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SupremeReader 1 point ago +1 / -0

This video (probably cut) is very short so I don't know what they're accusing him for exactly.

Kadyrov's guys have a long history of murder (and kidnapping and torture), and Kadyrov himself announced that they're in for bounties. Normal rewards are for things like killing volunteer troops and destroying vehicles. Special prizes are for "heads of Banderovite leaders" (half million dollars) etc. He means heads literally.

Ukrainian SBU claimed they eliminated a special team of them that had infiltrated Kiev city to specifically assassinate Zelensky after having been warned by a sympathetic Russian FSB official. I didn't quite look into the validity of this.

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SupremeReader 1 point ago +2 / -1

They literally kill (beat and the execute) people in the gyms of Akhmat in Chechnya.

One 'alumni' also did a thing in France: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/10/27/21537106/chechen-teen-beheaded-french-teacher-mma-gym-hotbed-extremists-kadyrov-islam-politics

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trump4045 3 points ago +3 / -0

How is this not breaking rule 16?

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DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because it's breaking rule 2.

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DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 1 point ago +2 / -1

Comment Reported for: Rule 16 - Identity Attacks

Comment Removed: Rule 2 - Violent Speech