I use StableBit Drivepool to make logical storage pools out of groups of smaller HDs. I use 3 and 4 TB drives, since they are cheap, and pool 4 or more of them together to make one pool. For redundancy, I have 4 machines with pools set up with pools big enough to store my entire 10tb media library. To keep them all synced, I use SyncbackSE.
This is the system I settled on years ago, and it works for me. I understand that not everyone has spare machines they can throw half a dozen hard drives into, but I do, so that is what I do.
I was one of those people who used Windows Home Server, which had a drive pooling option like this, so when WHS went out of support, I had to find a different way of pooling drives, like the original WHS had. DrivePool was one of two that did it, and I now have 4 paid licenses for it. :) I used it with WHS 2011, and when that went out of support I switched to Server 2016. JBOD has always been my preferred way to do storage, as messing with RAID is just too much work.
cheap? lmao, 4tb is ~80 rn, 8 is 150 so its not cheaper. 3tb is probably 60, too. Youre not saving money lmao. ur using more electricity, more machines, and that could be on 2 of these sizes. it prob cost you more than 150/8 for a similar amount of drives.
Cheaper when I bought them, this was 3 or more years ago. I know prices have come down. I have a 12tb drive in an external enclosure for "deep" storage. My NAS has 4 x 6TB in it.
letting it spin down will be better for longevity (assuming you are using them alot, connected, minimal shutdowns) it would be bad, if you use those all the time, copy, spin down 10 min, copy again, etc etc.
but you might have other problems on your system if the powersave is losing 90% of your normal performance, are you running an index at the same time as your copy? you have to pause it while using your media.
t. the best way to get faster speeds is to avoid using w10. the bloat can affect transfers.
Just out of curiosity, does the 5TB drive have the same filesystem as the other one? I don't think it should make a difference with your use case (exFAT and NTFS drivers tend to have more overhead on Mac and Linux, but you're using Windows; NTFS is more efficient for transferring many small files, but you talked about videos) but still.
My understanding is that this should also help USB mechanical drives last longer because it's less stress on them to stay spinning constantly instead of spinning up and down based on usage. There will be some extra power draw but I can't imagine it would be noticeable on your utility bill.
Head parking is indeed bad for HDDs. The only reason I could see for wanting it is if it's an internal drive in a laptop, not just due to power but due to the motion it's put through.
it isnt uncommon for manus to change componens mid run. if theyre recent that could be what happened. but they even sell 5tb anymore? lmao I thought it was dropped and is mostly even ratios now
My understanding is that this should also help USB mechanical drives last longer because it's less stress on them to stay spinning constantly instead of spinning up and down based on usage
Only if it happens too often, which is not likely to happen.
From what I understand the device has to indicate it can be turned off so it's unlikely that any of those power settings was the real change. You should never have to change any settings to get a non-shingled USB drive to work at normal speed.
With shingled drives like you have (probably your old Seagates are also) it's very easy to believe you fixed a setting when really the drive just decided to relocate and free up a bunch of write space while you were researching settings to change, or something like that. For instance you can copy a file, delete it, and a second copy take 10x longer - or vice verse - entirely due to the drive's internal state. Even for reads, a file may be scattered about a temporary space and very slow to read, then in the background made sequential by writing to the actual shingle tracks.
From what I can tell the main thing for shingled drives is to leave it plugged in for long periods so that drive can do it's background cleanup, and also never fill it up (I'd never get under 10% for any reason) as the more full it is the more cascading writes it'll have to do. Other than that you're at the whim of this opaque and undocumented shingle process. Even defragmenting could end up with a slower drive, depending on how the drive firmware is designed.
If you want to tweak settings, the one I would change is to enable write caching. This will make writes more sequential or even avoid some writes, which doesn't really matter much for CMR but can be a huge boost for shingled. You'll need to "safely remove device" but I would NEVER just yank out a shingled drive anyway as at any time it may be doing something important.
Yeah if you get a lot of crashes, but it's actually pretty hard to screw up NTFS and it flushes the cache way more often than Linux. I think Linux is generally set up for 2 min flush and Windows is even faster like 30 second or a minute maybe?
Honestly guy just has to accept that the drive is a turkey ^_^ and only use it for hoarding.
I use StableBit Drivepool to make logical storage pools out of groups of smaller HDs. I use 3 and 4 TB drives, since they are cheap, and pool 4 or more of them together to make one pool. For redundancy, I have 4 machines with pools set up with pools big enough to store my entire 10tb media library. To keep them all synced, I use SyncbackSE.
This is the system I settled on years ago, and it works for me. I understand that not everyone has spare machines they can throw half a dozen hard drives into, but I do, so that is what I do.
I was one of those people who used Windows Home Server, which had a drive pooling option like this, so when WHS went out of support, I had to find a different way of pooling drives, like the original WHS had. DrivePool was one of two that did it, and I now have 4 paid licenses for it. :) I used it with WHS 2011, and when that went out of support I switched to Server 2016. JBOD has always been my preferred way to do storage, as messing with RAID is just too much work.
For backup I use Create Synchronicity, which hasn't been updated in ten years because it just works.
If anybody is just looking for something simple like a mirror copy maybe check it out.
cheap? lmao, 4tb is ~80 rn, 8 is 150 so its not cheaper. 3tb is probably 60, too. Youre not saving money lmao. ur using more electricity, more machines, and that could be on 2 of these sizes. it prob cost you more than 150/8 for a similar amount of drives.
Cheaper when I bought them, this was 3 or more years ago. I know prices have come down. I have a 12tb drive in an external enclosure for "deep" storage. My NAS has 4 x 6TB in it.
letting it spin down will be better for longevity (assuming you are using them alot, connected, minimal shutdowns) it would be bad, if you use those all the time, copy, spin down 10 min, copy again, etc etc.
but you might have other problems on your system if the powersave is losing 90% of your normal performance, are you running an index at the same time as your copy? you have to pause it while using your media.
t. the best way to get faster speeds is to avoid using w10. the bloat can affect transfers.
Just out of curiosity, does the 5TB drive have the same filesystem as the other one? I don't think it should make a difference with your use case (exFAT and NTFS drivers tend to have more overhead on Mac and Linux, but you're using Windows; NTFS is more efficient for transferring many small files, but you talked about videos) but still.
Head parking is indeed bad for HDDs. The only reason I could see for wanting it is if it's an internal drive in a laptop, not just due to power but due to the motion it's put through.
it isnt uncommon for manus to change componens mid run. if theyre recent that could be what happened. but they even sell 5tb anymore? lmao I thought it was dropped and is mostly even ratios now
I keep being amused at how much you care about a paltry 10 MB/sec.
hes complaining about 110 difference. thats like 90% not 10 mb a sec.
*85%
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/141EiU8QRb/any-data-hoarders-here-storage-q/c/
Only if it happens too often, which is not likely to happen.
From what I understand the device has to indicate it can be turned off so it's unlikely that any of those power settings was the real change. You should never have to change any settings to get a non-shingled USB drive to work at normal speed.
With shingled drives like you have (probably your old Seagates are also) it's very easy to believe you fixed a setting when really the drive just decided to relocate and free up a bunch of write space while you were researching settings to change, or something like that. For instance you can copy a file, delete it, and a second copy take 10x longer - or vice verse - entirely due to the drive's internal state. Even for reads, a file may be scattered about a temporary space and very slow to read, then in the background made sequential by writing to the actual shingle tracks.
From what I can tell the main thing for shingled drives is to leave it plugged in for long periods so that drive can do it's background cleanup, and also never fill it up (I'd never get under 10% for any reason) as the more full it is the more cascading writes it'll have to do. Other than that you're at the whim of this opaque and undocumented shingle process. Even defragmenting could end up with a slower drive, depending on how the drive firmware is designed.
If you want to tweak settings, the one I would change is to enable write caching. This will make writes more sequential or even avoid some writes, which doesn't really matter much for CMR but can be a huge boost for shingled. You'll need to "safely remove device" but I would NEVER just yank out a shingled drive anyway as at any time it may be doing something important.
write caching is a bad idea with the stability of w10/11, IMO. rest is quality post 10/10
Yeah if you get a lot of crashes, but it's actually pretty hard to screw up NTFS and it flushes the cache way more often than Linux. I think Linux is generally set up for 2 min flush and Windows is even faster like 30 second or a minute maybe?
Honestly guy just has to accept that the drive is a turkey ^_^ and only use it for hoarding.