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dagthegnome 18 points ago +18 / -0

Everyone hated the New 52, and for good reason, but probably the funniest thing they did was making Lois Lane the new Red Tornado: turning a journalist into a robot with a pre-programmed personality, whose sole motivation was trying to emulate the human being she used to be.

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Happily_Grim 10 points ago +10 / -0

The only good thing I remember coming out of the New 52 was the Batman run with the Court of Owls. The first actually interesting Batman story in years up until that point.
But Batman really is one of DC's most interesting characters because he has to rely on intellect in a super powered world. Bruce is obviously rich as hell, but they never take the Ironman route and still have him truly better himself in every conceivable way. To watch him slowly get broken down during that story was great.
It's the only worthwhile story i can remember the New 52 having.
Although, technically, if you want to consider Flashpoint part of New 52, then that was a pretty good run, too.
Any time I've popped back into to comics since then, it's all been pretty trash. The last 5 or 6 years have been a completely lost cause and it's not even worth checking out for free.
At this point, I sincerely hope people completely abandon the industry completely and just let them fold already. It's like watching a loved one suffer from a terminal illness. The woke cancer has metastasized too far. There's no saving it anymore.

The only reason I even bother with capeshit anymore is because I grew up on it and have a soft spot because of it. I'm guessing it's the same for a lot of people.
But let's be perfectly honest. It's dead at this point.
They try to make it look like sales are doing well; however, the numbers they show the public aren't actual sales numbers, they're units shipped to stores. Anyone who's seen store owners speak about comics will quickly learn that none of their woke bullshit is selling at all. Marvel and DC are what happens when the Executives in charge aren't paying any attention to their product — or they have absolutely no clue what the hell sells it. incompetence doesn't even begin to describe what's taking place.
The lunatics are literally running the asylum. It's almost like a weird type of woke nepotism where they're just loading the companies with activist retards and then Executives are thinking that it's the market that's the problem and not the absolutely awful product they're shipping.
Just don't tell any of this to the couple hundred still remaining rabid retards fanboys. They're Olympic tier mental gymnasts in pretending what's being sold is somehow intellectual gold that's equivalent to the greatest storytellers throughout history. They're either retarded autists or completely insane; it's hard to tell.

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dagthegnome 5 points ago +5 / -0

I grew up with Batman: The Animated Series, which first aired when I was really little, and that's what got me into comic books in the first place. I've always been more of a DC fan for that reason, and I've always seen Batman, especially, as separate from the rest of the superhero genre

If DC had never bought it, Batman and the Bat Family could have survived all these years as a standalone, a successful own-world comic like the Phantom or TWD. Its whole atmosphere, the evocation of Film Noir and the detective-genre approach, has always made it better in terms of narrative and storyline, and I agree that the character of Bruce Wayne is fascinating. Not just him though, but a lot of the characters around him, too. Alfred, Jim Gordon, even a couple of the Robins.

And then, in the New 52, they made Thomas Wayne Batman instead. Alternate timeline, but it ruined it for me. Flashpoint pissed me off for that reason more than any other. That was when I stopped buying new comics. I checked out long before the woke shit really took off, and I've been sitting on the sidelines for the past decade laughing at these people as they burn their own house down.

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m0r1arty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Grant Morrison's RIP run was the end of it for me. It was already dying but that, and Neil Gaiman's Whatever Happened To The Caped Crusader were the best way to put the story to a close.

Perhaps it will start up again, but I don't think that will be anytime soon.

Cartoons for a decade and then we'll see.

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dzonatan 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's something more sad. It's sinking cost fallacy.

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TomSeeSaw 1 point ago +1 / -0

The lack of an intellectual Bruce Wayne is what made the Nolan Batman movies rubbish for me.

That batman wouldn't even be a foot stool to Lois Lane, never mind standing shoulder to shoulder with Superman.

Once my eyes were forced opened with that, everything else around the Detective started to come apart.

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yeldarb1983 1 point ago +1 / -0

Check out Jawbreakers or some of Richard C. Meyer's other stuff. The industry isn't dying, it's just going through some powerful rebirthing pains. Sadly, some of the beloved characters might not survive as industry giants drive themselves into the ground.

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MegoThor 6 points ago +6 / -0

But completely accurate by being shown as a flaming faggot.

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dagthegnome 7 points ago +7 / -0

What's gay about Superman? Before this, I mean.

He's traditionally a very masculine symbol: patriot, family man and all of that.

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dagthegnome 7 points ago +7 / -0

Those costumes were designed like that for a reason. Superman and Batman and some other original superhero characters were all created in the 1930s and 40s, when most people didn't have a television in their homes, and would maybe only go to the movies once a year.

The primary form of visual entertainment was the circus. If you were in a city, there were usually a few set up year-round, or if you were in the country, there were traveling circuses that went from town to town.

One feature that every circus had was the strong man: the big, muscle-bound guy who could bend metal beams and things like that, and he would usually wear a really tight singlet made out of spandex or something similar to show off all of his muscles. It might seem silly, or even effeminate to us now, but in the 1940s, that was the pinnacle of masculinity. That was what every kid wanted to grow up to be.

That's what those costumes are based on.