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posted ago by NihilistCaregiver ago by NihilistCaregiver +50 / -0

So this is not something I've seen in KiA2 much, but that's probably because the core user base here is very peculiar about misinformation tricks (thanks to shithead journalists who have made us keenly aware of such tactics).

But in other communities, such as patriots.win, I've noticed that a lot of the posts there often seem to be missing key information about the context or time of a claim.

Key examples just from the past 24 hours:

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZOe0cS/finally-someone-got-fired--o/c/ < Date?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZOe0x6/joy-is-right-they-cant-be-truste/c/ < Date?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZNVtDN/yes-i-noticed-/c/ < Date?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZOephU/veritas-on-california-recall-ele/c/ < Date?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZNVc26/candace-owens-craps-all-over-the/c/ < Date?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZPl1pX/clint-eastwood-with-a-call-to-ac/c/ < Source?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZPlaC0/ashli-babbitts-mother-responds-t/ < Just plain text, no link, no source?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZMMOph/nothing-was-normal-before-covid-/c/ < Sketchy ass looking twitter screenshot?

https://patriots.win/p/13zMZOeHw9/oregon-ranchers-larry--amanda-an/c/ < Blurry as fuck picture? And why wouldn't the poster state this was from 2016?

Possible reasons:

  • Karma farming for points?
  • Karma farming in order to sell your account? I know this happens on reddit, but that's largely because of the site rank and how it's a place to astroturf certain ideas. I can't imagine this is even a thing on patriots.win.
  • Leftists posting outrage bait in order to cause disinformation?
  • General stupidity?
  • Bot farm content? (I've long suspected that 90% of "user engagement" and content on patriots.win is actually bot farms)

I don't particularly care about the content of these posts, but something about the way they are done just seems very fishy.

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cccpneveragain 17 points ago +17 / -0

I do think that's one of the reasons I pretty much only bother to participate here anymore. The user base is much more attuned to tricks. They also don't mind if you ask for context most of the time if it is questionable. Honestly TheDonald/Patriots was coming too much of an echo chamber to me, discussion and questioning things too stifled, and something I think it's important to discuss even agreeable things to better understand.

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LauriThorne 5 points ago +5 / -0

They're in a purity spiral.

Don't even get me started on ConsumeJewHate.win

I'm not sure why making fun of funky pop soy fags led to actual fascism but whatever.

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AlwysHideUrPowerLevl 4 points ago +6 / -2

They're midwits. Both the patriots and consumeproduct fags. Just smart enough to absorb info but not smart enough to critically analyze it. Basically the reddit r/politics types but politically reversed.

Go to patriots and say you don't think that Trump was the best leader of all time? Go to consumeproduct and say you don't think that catholics are 120% right about everything? good luck

inb4 "ur just a butthurt lefty"

Hate to admit it, but I probably have more positions in common with an actual Nazi than I do with anyone in mainstream politics. Not because the Nazis were awesome but because modern mainstream politics are retarded

But every position should be heard out so it can be critically analyzed. If you aren't willing to hear out viewpoints you disagree with then you are likely not intelligent enough to defend your own point of view.

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el_hoovy 2 points ago +3 / -1

consumeproduct.win came along due to excessive listening and analysis

i wager you're not quite ready to accept that though

Go to consumeproduct and say you don't think that catholics are 120% right about everything?

also lol what

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AlwysHideUrPowerLevl 1 point ago +1 / -0

/pol/ came along due to excessive listening and analysis

Fixed it for you.

Consumeproduct is just cherry picked tidbits from /pol/, /pol/ is better simply because there is no upvote/downvote system, allowing the correct ideas to stand on their own regardless of popularity.

also lol what

A good percentage of the users there have a hardon for Roman Catholicism, and don't like it when you point out that the institution can't actually be traced back to the time of Christ or his apostles. Not to get too spergy here since its not the time or place, but the short version is that It's less a church and more the political heir of the Roman Empire. And that's not even getting into the Jew-related stuff, like the Vatican's financial history going back to the renaissance or the origins of certain orders like the Jesuits.

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el_hoovy 1 point ago +2 / -1

top post right now

/pol/ is cuck fetishists, self-haters, NEETs and feds, if you think that compares in any way, shape, or form to consumeproduct.win you got some conceptualization issues you should sort out.

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AlwysHideUrPowerLevl 1 point ago +1 / -0

consumeproduct.win has the opposite problem, which is they've locked themselves in an ideological box and won't think outside of it. This is inherently a weakness regardless of whether they are right about some things.

And the ideas they discuss wouldn't exist without the culture that grew up around /pol/, so dunking on /pol/ is kind of a moot point

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el_hoovy 2 points ago +2 / -0

you sound like you're describing ihateniggers.com. you sure you ever been to consumeproduct?

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GoldenPlains 12 points ago +12 / -0

This actually sort of drives me up a wall. I've noticed it for awhile now over on patriots.win but I don't browse it often. The missing date thing is annoying because people assume it is recent news but it turns out it was like a year ago. I don't fault them because not everyone is as keyed in on this bullshit as others.

I think it is all of those possible reasons combined to varying levels and degrees. What I think you should do and about all you can do, is just comment that the post was old and link to the source.

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NihilistCaregiver [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Something you might also try is to bookmark a few of the top posts at patriots.win (or just refer back to the links I put on this post). Wait a month and then go look at the profile history of the users who posted those screenshots. Chances are you'll see the user was only active briefly to make the post that went to the top, and then they basically fell off the earth.

To me, that is a clear indicator they were a bot farm account.

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Slamdangles 1 point ago +2 / -1

ehhhhh or they tried the website and it didn't jive with them. I'm not a huge fan of this sites ugly night mode

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davidverner 8 points ago +8 / -0

I pointed this out to a person on NNN last week and told them we have to classify that post as misinformation. They weren't happy about that.

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NihilistCaregiver [S] 8 points ago +8 / -0

There's something unsettling about the odds being high that we're all arguing with some non-english speaking person in a room full of android tablets in India who is being paid $1/day to flood sites with shitty political content.

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VicariousJambi 6 points ago +6 / -0

Do not attribute to stupidity that which you can attribute to malice.

If the last few years haven't taught you that, I don't know what will.

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KeeperOfTheGate 5 points ago +5 / -0

You see the same thing here occasionally, though as you say, usually it's caught.

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12jd4sKLQJ/pfizer-ceos-israel-visit-cancele/c/

Article posts a tweet in Aug 5, 2021 of an article originally released March 7, 2021. Posters called it out.

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Canapeder 5 points ago +5 / -0

The biggerTD gets the more it happens. People have low standards. On screenshots of news articles there is always someone asking for a link to the article because the foolish OP doesn't post one. Often times the article is a couple years old. People are stupid. /shrug.

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yvaN_ehT_nioJ 5 points ago +5 / -0

I would love if we had some rules against shiposts like those.

Okay, I'll be honest, there's two "users" I particularly have in mind at plebbit Kia2 that are really bad about it. I'd report em if they were breaking any rules, believe me, they aren't. And the two accounts mainly just post all of their trash at all the "conservative" subs.

I've been trying to post more content both here and there to help add more stuff that isn't junk, be the change you want to see and all that, but it's definitely a problem.

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NihilistCaregiver [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

Clearly labeled shitposts I don't mind, but usually those are memes and it's very obvious they aren't trying to claim some fact.

But like the one example I linked to about Ashley Babbit's mother.. that could be entirely false and just the musings of some bored 12 year old. It currently has 489 points (490 up, 1 down) and not a single person in the comments asked for a source.

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yvaN_ehT_nioJ 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thats fair.

Most egregious one I can remember seeing, off the top of my head, was that screenshot of a purported Scientific American article defending pedophilia. A commentor calls it out (with sources) as a doctored screen of what was originally a years old article on homosexuality and the user deletes his post right after.

Do I really want more rules? For the most part no.. Honestly I think our mods have done a good job there, but I don't think it'd hurt to have a requirement for links to the original source when possible when the post is a screenshot. Just something to require a modicum of effort and help give readers the info to verify what they're reading for themselves.

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NihilistCaregiver [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

but I don't think it'd hurt to have a requirement for links to the original source when possible when the post is a screenshot.

Oh yes definitely. I can't see how this would hurt unless your only goal was to karma farm.

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TardedButNotDeparted 5 points ago +5 / -0

I noticed too. Getting tired of it. It's infiltrators trying to create extremists. Disappointing

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KeeperOfTheGate 5 points ago +6 / -1

Ever think that your conspiracy theories and "noticing" things might be what "They" want you to do? That by focusing on the old canard of anti-semitism you're completely fucking missing the actual battle that's going on?

You want to know how to keep losing the culture ways? Keep on doing what you're doing.

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Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

Plot twist: The most vehement neonazi trolls constantly warning anons about the JIDF are actually JIDF.

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Afks 3 points ago +4 / -1

Of course I’ve considered it

What’s the actual battle I’m missing?

Hit me with the missing link, fren

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KeeperOfTheGate 4 points ago +4 / -0

Let me put it this way. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that you are 100% correct. Jews are part of a worldwide conspiracy, they totally control governments, Hollywood, schools, etc. Worldwide all Jews have some goal that they are working in concert to achieve, it's malicious and deliberate.

Have you convinced one single person to your side by ranting about the "JQ" and "goy" and making every debate "it's because of the (((Jews)))"?

How many people have you turned off? How many people have come to KiA2, seen these kind of posts (or, for that matter, TheImpossible1) and said "Fuck it, I thought there was something interesting here, but this is the exact caricature of the far right I always heard about--rambling, ranting, insanely anti-semitic, etc.

From a purely utilitarian perspective, even IF you were totally right, your tactics are totally wrong.

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Afks 1 point ago +1 / -0

So what's the missing link?

What's the actual battle going on that I'm missing?

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AntonioOfVenice 1 point ago +5 / -4

You started ranting about da Joooz because someone said that Twitter screenshots don't have dates?