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APDSmith 25 points ago +26 / -1

I'm not sure anybody's concerned what Biden's position is. Whomever is using this as a lever to re-institute feudalism can probably keep this rumbling on for a couple of years with new variants if necessary, until Harris does what she's told. Or doesn't - resistance from Harris would be much more significant than Biden.

NihilistCaregiver 23 points ago +24 / -1

Tim "Listen listen listen" Pool covered this on his show last night and said the fed gov doesn't need to enforce vaccine passports because the private industry will do it.

cartoonericroberts 16 points ago +16 / -0

That's what I was thinking. If the feds tried to do it it would cost 200 million, five years and then not work. Google could do it over a weekend and for "free."

TeeBP 11 points ago +11 / -0

This. It's like they don't need to block free speech because corporations, like Google and Twitter, will block it for them.

marvinthehaggler 4 points ago +4 / -0

The Feds cannot do it. They would need to rewrite all of the HIPAA laws and that would be suuuuper expensive and the Health Insurance people would not like that one bit. Although with enough "Infrastructure Investment Money", anything is possible.

So they will have the corporations do it.

Hey, we're not saying you have no 1st Amendment! It's just that "freedom of movement" does not give you the right to travel on an airplane of a corporation, got it?

Xzal 20 points ago +21 / -1

It'll be a flipflop move. They'll pretend to hold off for ages, fake a Spike, then say "sorry folks we tried without but we have to now."...

That. Or they're going to refuse it hoping enough sheep demand their own collars. After all an idea thought up by yourself is usually more readily accepted than one forced.

Bjorn_the_Black 16 points ago +16 / -0

First of all, they're liars...soooo why would you believe them?

Second, they don't need to mandate it through the government. They're going to let private enterprise do it for them so they can avoid lawsuits entirely. Afterall, private enterprise can do what they want, and if you don't like it, you just don't get to use their services. But do remember, bake the cake, bigot. You have to bake the cake, you fucking bigot, but you have no right to travel freely and unmolested despite the constitution saying you do and the supreme court affirming it, lol.

I fully expect it'll roll out with airlines first. So no vaccination proof, no flying. Trains. Public transportation. Woke morons who own businesses will be all over it. Fully expect that the "essential businesses" that have been open to all the entire pandemic will now suddenly be closed to those who cannot prove their vaccination status, or if you're lucky, they'll designate a time for you to come in and do your shopping just before close at 10 PM.

Tyranny through the private sector is not new; see Big Tech. The government learned long ago that the Constitution is tough to get around and that even when they get around it, it's often tossed back out or they piss enough people off and people vote them the fuck out over that one thing. This is why you don't see a lot of hard pushes for gun control - the last time the Democrat morons did it, they got their asses blown the fuck out for a decade and then it expired anyway.

TentElephant 13 points ago +13 / -0

The government shut down all of big buisness's competition. Now the private sector will return the favor by implementing the passport system while absorbing the flak for it. Welcome to techno-fascism.

cccpneveragain 13 points ago +13 / -0

Perhaps they thought it would cause too much of a rise against them? They don't want people fighting the government, but fighting each other. That's why masks are perfect, you can immediately form an opinion on someone based on their mask status and one group in particular thinks the other is trying to kill them.

Let's not pretend they needed the passports to track you, they can already do that. I was expecting them to morph into a China-like app system where they use the vaccine app to tell you if you're allowed to do anything or not. I'm more expecting vaccine-proof variant scare to hit instead. Extend the control a little longer.

KekistanPM 9 points ago +9 / -0

I believe the end game is the Mark of the Beast. That is rooted in my belief that Christian prophecy is true, and also that the natural state of humanity is to accept conformity and being ruled.

To quote an anon from long ago: "I don't want to be free, I just want to be happy."

TechParadox 9 points ago +9 / -0

They know it's a slippery slope kind of argument. If they start requiring vaccine passports then that means they will also require a full Federal ID card - which they don't want, until they can push it through to allow illegals and migrants to get the IDs, and to make it free for everyone to get one.

On top of that, they know if they try to pull a Federal mandate on this shit then the half of the general populace that has a brain in their head will throw an absolute shit-fit over the constitutionality of it. No, what they'll do is let the private sector horn in on it and be the bad guy. Want to fly on Airline X? Want to be admitted to Venue Y for an event? Better have your GoogleSoft Certified Health Passport ready to make sure you don't infect anyone or get infected. Don't want to participate in having to sign away access to your private health information? Then no flights or admission for you - and because it's a private business they'll lean on the whole "they can do what they want" pole, because in this case it's a thing they want the business to be able to do to us.

This shit is only going to get worse before it gets better.

ernsithe 10 points ago +10 / -0

Ding ding ding. It becomes very hard to pretend voter ID is an undue burden when you're requiring ID to enter a store.

AntonioOfVenice 8 points ago +8 / -0

I thought you meant Boris Johnson.

TheImpossible1 [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

I would have used my favorite term in the title : "The United Femdom" if it was about that floppy haired retard.

Guy_Incognito76 7 points ago +7 / -0

At the end of the day the president doesn't have this power. Congress needs to do it and they don't have an untouchable majority yet.

Much of democrat power is based on bluff and bluster. It works most of the time but they aren't unstoppable by any means.

altmehere 5 points ago +5 / -0

Psaki added on Tuesday, as she has before, that the decision to employ vaccination credentials would be left to nongovernmental entities.

If the Democrats instate vaccine passports at a government level, it will end up going to the Supreme Court where the result may be a major blow to the whole idea. If they instead use the "private company" apparatus of the party it will be much more difficult to challenge.

There will still be vaccine passports. There will still be vaccine mandates. Some states may manage to stop that from happening in their state, but they are likely to be punished by the federal government and "private companies" because of it.

JiggsawCalrissian 5 points ago +5 / -0

Its a feint. It cannot be called unconstitutional if it comes from the corporations not the feds. Sidesteps the constitution (or perverts it, depending on your perspective) and makes the government immune to any blame over it while leaving them a permanent GOOJF card down the road if they ever mandate against it, even by a small degree.

Bottom line, they don't have to make it law to make it "law".

There's no law that says you need to drive a car. But if you work on the other side of town and there are no busses, you're going to have a tough time getting to work without a car.

ZodShael 5 points ago +5 / -0

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just testing the waters, squeezing to see how much they can get away with. Notice that this is all moving in one direction. The lockdown meant we lost rights, but illegal (and legal) immigration is unhindered. They're talking about you needing a vaccine passport to go to work/get groceries, but Jose and the gang can come here illegally all day.

CnnWillBlackmailYou -1 points ago +1 / -2

Sometimes even the puppets realize that their bullshit can hurt them, too.