Biden called the Proud Boys POOR BOYS, that was the LOL moment of the night.
I think Trump had a slight victory but Biden didn't do too bad, think it'll hurt him to outright say he wants to phase out the oil & gas industry.
The Democrat mod I think actually did a pretty good job, she was pretty fair although she IDPol'd a lot. I'm not sure Heinrich Himmler cares about race as much as she does.
Debate flew by pretty quickly. Was some actual foreign affairs talk too.
What did you think, gang?
Fuck that moderator. Children in cages, climate change, Obummercare, all a lot of democratic pandering. She was a quack.
I did like that Trump over and over again asked ole Joe if he was in the senate his entire fucking life and VP, why he has waited till just now to fix all the problems that have been around for decades of his career? hahahaa
I'd love to see an unmoderated Trump wipe the floor with that corrupt criminal. Which he would totally do except TV media won't let him.
Yeah the bias of the debate comes in two layers. Interjections/interruptions by the moderator and the actual questions being asked. This moderator did good on the former but if she draws up the questions she flunked the latter. Climate change? 500 sad illegal alien children? Race in America? So basically a bunch of leftist talking points. The equivalent would be a debate with topics like gun rights and leftist infiltration of the media, education, and entertainment.
I keep seeing people say Biden didn't do poorly and I wonder on what exactly? No straight answers, no solutions, just rhetoric and fear mongering. John Kerry tried the same shit and that didn't work, either.
Also I really enjoyed the covert as well as overt shots Trump took on Biden and his crackhead family. Well done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNz4g9sFckg&feature=youtu.be
Shit was hilarious.
Between that awkward as fuck silence and him calling abraham lincoln a racist, this was the first debate for biden in terms of utterly torching goodwill.
That's all he needed to do to provide his base what they wanted. As far as undecideds, probably 50% of them are just looking for an excuse to vote for the "acceptable" candidate, and that might have been enough.
It's sad, but true.
I think I would like to meet one of these mythical individuals who hasn't yet made up their mind as to who they are voting for and is using this debate to help them decide. I also think such a person probably should not be legally able to vote, but that's a separate matter I unfortunately have no control over.
Political campaigns these days are more about rallying the base and demoralizing the opposition than convincing the undecided.
That's why you see these massive demoralization campaigns being waged against conservatives. It's also why the Dems are so fervent in convincing certain groups to vote.
If young people mostly voted GOP, the twitch campaigns to convince people to vote would disappear overnight.
I think my favorite Joe Biden comment was when he complained about Trump's policy on China by noting his relationship with the dictator of North Korea.
The dishonestly of the whole thing is amazing. "You retards can't tell between China and North Korea, so fuck it." But worse, these are all people who explicitly claimed that Trump was a dangerous loose cannon who was going to start a nuclear war with North Korea because they were saber-rattling. Now they're bitching that he's 'too close' after he gets nominated for a Nobel Prize.
I'm completely done negotiating, compromising, or engaging with the Left at this point. The only policy someone on the right should have is to greet Leftist power structures as mere obstacles. Do not engage, do not converse, push it out of the way so that you can build something through the path it was blocking.
"That thing I was against 30 seconds ago is now the thing I'm for, you terrorist!"
"Kill yourself."
"What? How dare you! You're being wildly unprofessional!"
"Shut up and kill yourself. You have no moral principles. Nothing you say has value."
"I demand respect! You can't treat me this way."
"Shut up and kill yourself. If I gave you one inch, you'd shoot me in the back of my head and blame me for it. There's nothing to talk about."
"This isn't the kind of decorum we need for a functional democracy."
"Why haven't you killed yourself yet? I don't fucking need you. Die somewhere over there."
"This is wildly divisive when we should be unifying!"
"You don't believe in unity. You only believe in submission, and balkanizing your opponents. I don't need to be unified with someone who wants me dead. Kill yourself."
Trump was muted a couple of times, but it was pretty close to fair.
Biden got softballed, while Trump got some loaded ones.
Trump got Biden flustered without being to "Trumpish" about it. Trump hammering down the why didn't you do anything for 8 years question was nice.
Biden had some good points, but he flip-flopped a lot.
The oil and gas talk was definitely Biden's worst bit and probably cost him votes.
Trump's "I'm the least racist person in the room" was extremely weak pandering.
Trump also came off as a little too friendly to North Korea, mainly because of his wording, but Biden sounded like he wanted nuclear war.
I think it is clear to anyone that Trump did very well tonight. One of his best debates ever.
Trump made it very clear that Joe Biden is all talk and no action.
He highlighted that Biden is just another corrupt politician who profited for 47 years
Trump hammered him on the Crime Bill, hammered him on who made the cages, hammered him on Hunter's corruption.
Biden only had cliche leftist talking platitudes. Biden shot himself in the foot with the transitioning out of the oil industry. His comment on amnesty for 11 million illegal aliens will cost him.
Only the progressive retards and the Karens who want mandatory masking for everyone would be satisfied with Joe Biden's shoddy performance today.
Yeah, i saw that Trump didn't focus too much on hitting Kamala Harris.
I don't know whether doing that in this debate would help him too much.
Biden would probably say his bullshit line of "I am the Democratic Party" again to spin it.
I think Harris attacks would also allow the media to push the racism and my soggy knees angle and harm Trump's standing with the fucking idiots that are most women voters.
Hard to say whether attacking Harris at the debate will help much.
His actual supporters wanted him to be even meaner to the point of sending the military in to drag Biden out in chains.
It's his worthless crony Jewish neocon advisors who want him to be temperate and nice and just ignore that the guy standing next to him is literally guilty of treason and sedition on MULTIPLE COUNTS.
He fucked up so bad even the moderator broke character and said incredulously,
Oh, good! You're all still here. There was apparently a DDOS again, and I got scared.
Of course.
The left are being stinking hypocrites again. They are mocking the Proud Boys now because they are "poor" on Reddit. If anyone on the right mocked the poor, there would be mass outrage. I seriously don't think I'll ever come across a group that I hate as much as these people. As bad as the likes of ISIS were, at least they were honest.
I really wish that when Biden was trying to play off the emails as Russian disinfo that Trump dropped the Bobulinski bomb on him. It seems pretty obvious that his campaign had decided on that as their answer before Bobulinski had come forward and didn't have time to alter course.
I think Biden basically just said what he thinks his base wants to hear and responded to pretty much everything Trump said with what amounted to "nuh uh".
Biden has some gall to try to push the "Trump is bought by foreign powers", and "we're voting for our character" bs considering he's currently implicated in 2 huge scandals.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Biden came off better. He says so many things that "sound nice" but have 0 substance and he doesn't get enough push back on it. So it makes it seem like the things he's saying are reasonable or can't be answered.
I thought the moderator was much fairer, or at least attempted to seem fairer. I do think she still favored Biden though.
Edit: As a bonus, I love how when Biden was asked what his rona plan is he literally just said all the things Trump actually did. I think Trump called him on that but I don't remember exactly.
Did he? Dang I must have missed that.
I was disappointed on the first debate but this was OK. I doubt it will change any minds. Everyone has made their mind already but it felt good that Trump called out Joe on a couple of issues. Best part was Joe struggling.
Trump's team wasted no time on his promise to joe
Watched along Razorfist. A bit of an echochamber here, to be honest. But honestly the debate seemed more fun.
She asked some strawman "hard" questions of Biden, the stuff he rehearsed. Still commenting on Trump's responses, interrupting, and preventing him from speaking about Biden's corruption half the time. No actual hard questions were asked of Biden, 100% leading questions for Trump.
Another 2 vs 1 "debate".
I'm not an American, but I do support Trump because I'd rather the US remain the kingpin of the global order instead of being supplanted by China.
I think Kristen Welker was biased toward Biden right from the get-go when she drilled down into Trump wanting specific answers, but never followed up the same way to Biden for most of his answers. That said, I think it was a better debate overall than the previous one with Chris Wallace. Welker wasn't as openly combative as Wallace was, but she was more sneaky in her framing of questions instead.
I think the two biggest things I noticed were both issues with Biden. The first was Biden trying to deny his involvement with his son's and brother's "business" dealings in Ukraine and China, trying to reverse it onto Trump. He got close to claiming that the laptop/emails were fake, but was interrupted by the moderator.
The second was Biden openly stating he wants a pathway to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants. As far as I'm aware, you already did that back in the 80s under Reagan and that was supposed to be the end of illegal immigration. Flash forward ~35 years and now it's being proposed again, this time without the additional claim that it'll be the end of illegal immigration forever.
I don't think it really moved the needle either way unfortunately, though hopefully Biden saying he wants to phase out coal and natural gas turns just enough people that some rust belt states go for Trump again, but I'd very much like to see Trump re-elected because I'd really like a pro-American/anti-Chinese leader going forward as China tries to become more dominant.